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Now I haven't seen him. I have not seen him at all. I have not seen him,
because I don't meet the gu--if I've never met a guest, and I like to meet
them when you meet them so I can have the same drool factor that you do. But
my producers have met him. And they just came in and went, `Oh, my God!' And
I said, `Really, what is it?' and she went, `Oh, my God!' So, OK, I can't
wait. Did you just see the movie, though, right? Isn't it wonderful? It's
really wonderful. OK. And let me ask you this. Who cried? Did you cry?
Oh, you all cried! You cried. I was--you know what? I said they are not
going to get me. I tried so hard not to cry! And only till the last--I
didn't cry for the (mumbles), I didn't cry when the (mumbles), even when the
(mumbles). But then the last scene, I was like gone.
OK. Johnny Depp's new movie, "Finding Neverland"--it'll get you. It'll get
you. His performance is just superb, is it not? It really is superb. It's
no wonder why he's called one of the most gifted actors of his generation.
Let's take a look.
(Excerpt from "21 Jump Street")
WINFREY: The year, 1987. Teen girls everywhere just lost their minds over a
young Johnny Depp in "21 Jump Street."
(Excerpts from "21 Jump Street," "A Nightmare on Elm Street")
WINFREY: Fans screamed for his big-screen debut in the classic horror flick
"A Nightmare on Elm Street."
(Excerpt from "A Nightmare on Elm Street")
WINFREY: Johnny shredded his pretty boy image in "Edward Scissorhands" and
critics raved. His smoldering sex appeal cannot be denied. Who could forget
his performance as a passionate Gypsy in the Oscar-nominated "Chocolat." This
year, Johnny swashbuckled his way through "Pirates of the Caribbean"...
(Excerpt from "Pirates of the Caribbean")
WINFREY: ...and scored an Oscar nomination for best actor. He is a
self-proclaimed Hollywood outsider, who lives with his beautiful girlfriend
Vanessa Paradis and their two children, Jack and Lily-Rose. Though reluctant
he may be, Johnny Depp has been named the Sexiest Man Alive.
Reluctant, sexy, Johnny Depp!
It'll be fine.
Mr. DEPP: Uh-oh.
WINFREY: Uh-oh. So, listen, they told me you like good wine. They told me
you like good wine.
Mr. DEPP: Well, that's the one.
WINFREY: So I pulled up one of my bottles. This is for you. A toast to you,
toast to you.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, we're going to be drunk in a minute.
WINFREY: No, we won't. We're not going to drink the whole thing. Here's to
your superb performance in "Finding Neverland."
Mr. DEPP: Thank you. Thank you.
WINFREY: Ooh, good.
Mr. DEPP: What do you mean we're not going to drink the whole thing?
WINFREY: That is pretty good, isn't it?
Mr. DEPP: Don't you think we should?
WINFREY: Yeah, well, the--we can.
Mr. DEPP: All right.
WINFREY: You can. You can. I know it's all a daze. But I remember seeing
you briefly on the red carpet at Oscars.
Mr. DEPP: That was real weird, I mean, just because I'm not used to that
kind of event.
WINFREY: Hoopla.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: Hoopla.
Mr. DEPP: Function.
WINFREY: It's been quite a year for you.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: How did you feel about being nominated and being in all of that
hoopla?
Mr. DEPP: Shocked, you know. Completely shocked.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: It was just--yeah, it was just super bizarre, you know. I mean,
I'm still in shock over that.
WINFREY: Yeah. And so when you're--OK. First of all, it was a Disney film.
It's "Pirates of the Caribbean." It has since raised $650 million worldwide.
But I think...
Mr. DEPP: That's real weird.
WINFREY: I think in the beginning, people just thought, you know, it's a
summer movie. It's about some pirates and the Caribbean and it's kids.
Nobody...
Mr. DEPP: That's kind of what I thought.
WINFREY: Yeah. And nobody--but, obviously, when you read this script, you
thought that you could bring something to the Captain Jack character that
nobody else could.
Mr. DEPP: Well, I had--I mean, I had this sort of very strong idea of
Captain--what Captain Jack...
WINFREY: Sparrow.
Mr. DEPP: ...Sparrow should be. And was that his name? Ba...
WINFREY: Yeah. His name's Captain Jack Sparrow.
Mr. DEPP: Thank you very much.
WINFREY: OK.
Mr. DEPP: And just sort of stuck to my guns and went in there and did it.
So, I mean, as you say, you know, the Academy Award nomination was a very
strange thing, especially since for the first month, I was convinced I was
going to be fired.
WINFREY: Really?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, yeah.
WINFREY: Because I heard that the studio wasn't so delighted at first with
your interpretation.
Mr. DEPP: They were a little nervous.
WINFREY: What? They thought he was a little--what was the word they used?
Mr. DEPP: They used a lot...
WINFREY: OK.
Mr. DEPP: ...a lot...
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: ...but understandably nervous.
WINFREY: What, they didn't like the gold teeth or they didn't like--they
thought he was a little flirty?
Mr. DEPP: Effete...
WINFREY: Yes.
Mr. DEPP: ...was one. Yeah. They didn't like any of it at first, yeah.
The gold teeth, the beard dangles, the things in the hair, the dreadlocks,
the...
WINFREY: They didn't like any of it.
Mr. DEPP: No.
WINFREY: And is it true that you modeled...
Mr. DEPP: They especially didn't like me.
WINFREY: And is it true you modelled him after Keith Richards?
Mr. DEPP: Keith was one of the main ingredients. Absolutely.
WINFREY: Really? You did.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, there he is. He's the best pirate in the world.
WINFREY: I bet that's fun because you just sta--get to live out of your
imagination.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah. No. Exactly.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: I mean, you get to sort of--and for me, I mean, having done the
homework for the character, I just have to sort of step in...
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: ...step into frame.
WINFREY: What was the homework? What was the homework?
Mr. DEPP: I actually--Captain Jack was--this is going to sound very weird,
but he was sort of born in a sauna. Yeah. I was--I figured the pirates would
have, you know, spent a lot of time in the sun.
WINFREY: Yeah, in the sun.
Mr. DEPP: Sometimes, you know, grueling, you know...
WINFREY: Heat, yeah.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah, serious heat. So I would go into the sauna for great
lengths of time, which I don't recommend, by the way. And you start to get a
little woozy after about 30 minutes. I don't think it's very good for you.
So...
WINFREY: No, they advise not to stay in that long.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah, yeah. I know.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: I know.
WINFREY: And that's where the character came from?
Mr. DEPP: Yeah. That's where the...
WINFREY: Are you making this up or is that one wine sip...
Mr. DEPP: No, no, it's--no, no.
WINFREY: ...that one little sip did that to you? Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah, that's where he came from. Yeah.
WINFREY: So I read--starting at the beginning, by the time you were 15, that
you were--already had lived in 20 different homes. Is that true?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, maybe 40, yeah.
WINFREY: Maybe 40.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: Why so?
Mr. DEPP: My mom liked to move a lot. A lot.
WINFREY: A lot.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah. One time we moved from one house to the house next door.
WINFREY: Just because she wanted to move.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: Yeah. No, seriously.
Mr. DEPP: My hand to God, yeah.
WINFREY: Really?
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: So 40 different homes by the time--maybe 20, 30, 40.
Mr. DEPP: Probably--maybe 39, but...
WINFREY: So how do you adjust? How do you get to be, you know, every--if
you're going in a different school all the time?
Mr. DEPP: Well, it was kind of normal for--we didn't know anything else, you
know. So for us, it was kind of normal.
WINFREY: Wow!
Mr. DEPP: You know, you'd almost have like the whole neighborhood kind of
looking out their windows as we were, you know, carrying, you know, boxes from
one house to the next.
WINFREY: Were you born--weren't you born in the South?
Mr. DEPP: In Kentucky, yeah.
WINFREY: In Kentucky.
Mr. DEPP: Great, great.
WINFREY: Now why are you applauding? Are you from Kentucky, too?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, good.
WINFREY: Well, that is rare. OK, OK. And how did you get discovered?
Mr. DEPP: I moved to Los Angeles in 1983, and was basically an unemployed
musician. And a buddy of mine, Nicolas Cage...
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: ...great actor and I was filling out job applications, and Nick
suggested that I meet his agent because he felt I should be an actor.
WINFREY: Why?
Mr. DEPP: Don't know.
WINFREY: Don't know.
Mr. DEPP: Still don't know.
WINFREY: Had you ever thought about it before?
Mr. DEPP: No.
WINFREY: You really hadn't?
Mr. DEPP: No.
WINFREY: I read that and I didn't believe it. It was one of those things, I
go...
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: ...they just printed that, because how could you be this good and
never thought about it? How could that be?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, well...
WINFREY: No, really.
Mr. DEPP: Thank you.
WINFREY: No, really, you never, you know, like watched "Bonanza" and thought
you wanted to be Hoss?
Mr. DEPP: All right, all right, I watched a little "Bonanza." I...
WINFREY: OK. But, no, so you'd never seriously thought about it until
Nicolas Cage mentioned it.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah. I mean--and for me, it was really just--I just thought,
well, you know, at this point, I'll do anything. I've just got to pay the
rent. You know, I was on the verge of being evicted and all that stuff, so...
WINFREY: Isn't that so interesting?
Mr. DEPP: ...I tried it.
WINFREY: Because, you know, people give up their life. They go, they're on
the streets. They're...
Mr. DEPP: I know.
WINFREY: ...you know, thumbing rides.
Mr. DEPP: I carry the guilt. I...
WINFREY: You--no, and they--that's their dream...
Mr. DEPP: I know.
WINFREY: ...and just hope and hope and hope, and you never thought about it,
and Nicolas Cage says, `I think you should do this,' and here you are.
Well...
Mr. DEPP: Weird.
WINFREY: ...in our research, we found tons of teen magazines from the '80s
with you as the cover boy.
Mr. DEPP: Not pretty. Oh.
WINFREY: Here are some. Yeah, take another sip. Yeah. So what do you
think...
Mr. DEPP: I'll just drink from the bottle.
WINFREY: What do you think when you look at those pictures? Oh, that's kind
of cute.
Mr. DEPP: They scare me to death.
WINFREY: No, really. What do you think?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, it was a strange time, because I had become this product.
WINFREY: Yeah, a product, yeah.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah, and it made me very uncomfortable because I...
WINFREY: Made you uncomfortable.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah, because I didn't--I mean, I didn't...
WINFREY: Being sort of labeled a heartthrob.
Mr. DEPP: Well, just--they just started to build this image and it had
nothing to do with me, you know...
WINFREY: Really?
Mr. DEPP: ...so it was weird.
WINFREY: OK. So when we--you know, like I pulled out the Sexiest Man Alive
People cover thing. Like I know that irritates the hell out of you. It does.
But could you just explain to me why it does so much? Because I think a lot
of people--a lot--all of them are saying, you know, `We think you are pretty
sexy.'
Mr. DEPP: It's not so much that it irritates me. I mean, I--on--you know, on
some level, if you can sort of take that kind of thing seriously, it's
flattering.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: But, in fact, it's such a--it's so absurd a notion, you know, to
equate my name with that...
WINFREY: Sexiest Man Alive.
Mr. DEPP: ...thing is so bizarre.
WINFREY: It's absurd to you.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, yeah.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, yeah.
WINFREY: And so even when you look at the cover...
Mr. DEPP: I tried not to look at the cover.
WINFREY: You tried not to look. No. But when you see it, you see
yourself--you see it and you just think, absurd. You just think, isn't that
absurd?
Mr. DEPP: Completely absurd.
WINFREY: But isn't it better than the opposite? Isn't it better than, you
know, being con...
Mr. DEPP: The scuzziest man alive.
WINFREY: Yeah, the scuzziest man alive. OK. But--OK, let...
Mr. DEPP: I think I've been called that as well, though.
WINFREY: OK. Let's just think in terms of what, you know, sultriness is and
sexy is, wouldn't you say that you are?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, no. Come on, no. No.
WINFREY: What would you say? What would you use to describe yourself? Sexy
would not even be in the top 10...
Mr. DEPP: No, just a guy with a weird job, really, you know.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: I mean, I just have a strange job. That's how I explain it to my
kiddies.
WINFREY: That's how you--what you tell your kids.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, sure, yeah.
WINFREY: OK. We'll be right back.
Next, Johnny Depp and the love of his life. And later, Johnny's leading lady,
Kate Winslet.
(Announcements)
WINFREY: Johnny Depp is here. "Finding Neverland" flies into theaters on
November 12th. It's a heartwarming film about the life of J.M. Barrie, who is
the creator of "Peter Pan," and it's already receiving critical acclaim, as is
Johnny's performance. Here's the first look at "Finding Neverland."
WINFREY: "Finding Neverland" is a truly-life tale that takes us on a flight
of imagination through the creative genius of J.M. Barrie, writer of "Peter
Pan."
(Excerpt from "Finding Neverland," courtesy Miramax Films)
WINFREY: Barrie, in desperate need of inspiration, finds magic in a chance
encounter with a widowed mother and her four young boys.
(Excerpt from "Finding Neverland")
WINFREY: As Barrie becomes a surrogate father to the family, he introduces
the boys to a whole new world filled with enchanted kingdoms, pirates and
mischief.
(Excerpt from "Finding Neverland")
WINFREY: It is the fantastical foundation for Barrie's beloved classic
children's play.
(Excerpt from "Finding Neverland")
WINFREY: But just as soon as Peter Pan is about to take flight onstage,
off-stage Barrie and the children face tragedy in a heartbreaking twist of
fate.
(End of excerpt)
WINFREY: I think the mother in this film was really the unspoken hero, didn't
you? Wasn't Kate Winslet beautiful?
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: Wonderful. Another superb--we're going to meet her in a moment.
Are you close with your own mother? Are you close to your mother?
Mr. DEPP: Very.
WINFREY: Really?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, yeah. She's my best friend.
WINFREY: Really?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, yeah.
WINFREY: You have her tattoo. Is that true?
Mr. DEPP: Yeah, yeah.
WINFREY: Really?
Mr. DEPP: Yeah, up here. It's there.
WINFREY: None of your business. Johnny is the proud father of a two-year-old
son, Jack, which I love that name Jack.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: And a 5-year-old daughter, Lily-Rose, with Vanessa Paradis. Now you
might recognize her from all those Chanel ads. Gorgeous. Did you--is it
true--I'd read this. You never know--that you saw her walk across a room, she
came up to you and said something, and you said, `I'm a goner.'
Mr. DEPP: Yeah. Yeah. I saw her back.
WINFREY: You saw her back.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah. I saw her back from about 25 yards away. And I was just
staring at this back and then suddenly it turned around, and the back had a
face, and it walked towards me, directly at me, and just said, `Hi.'
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: And then I just knew, you know. It's over with.
WINFREY: It's over.
Mr. DEPP: Big trouble, you know. Big trouble.
WINFREY: Big trouble.
Mr. DEPP: Big trouble.
WINFREY: How would you say that she has affected your life?
Mr. DEPP: Changed it completely. I mean, Vanessa and my kids gave me life;
I mean, put me in another--a whole other arena. Yeah, oh, yeah.
WINFREY: What do you love the most about her?
Mr. DEPP: Well, first, you've got to love her for dealing with me. Just
being able to deal with me. Just--she's a great mommy. I mean, one of the
most beautiful things in the world is to see a mommy with her kids. There's
nothing more beautiful, nothing more sublime, I mean. That's true.
WINFREY: I don't know if you guys saw this, but Vanessa wrote quite a nice
tribute to Johnny in the French Elle magazine called, Johnny Depp, My Lover.
And she said, `All that I dream of, wanted, need, our story is love and
friendship united.' She said, `I have the impression that no one could love
the way we love. For us, the important thing is our family, our couple, and
our children, and when we talk about work, it's not too much and never during
a romantic dinner.' Sounds like you found the love of your life. That's
pretty nice.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah. It's amazing. Thank you.
WINFREY: I like `our couple.' I like her description of `our couple.'
Mr. DEPP: Our couple. Yeah, that's sweet.
WINFREY: Our couple. Is there a distinct difference that you feel between
raising a boy and a girl?
Mr. DEPP: Oh, wow!
WINFREY: Really.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, boy.
WINFREY: Oh, boy.
Mr. DEPP: Well, yeah, my daughter, I mean, from the first second, was just a
little princess, very delicate, very girlie. Incredibly sort of, you know,
soft.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: And my son almost immediately, you know, just would, you know,
vault himself into walls and, you know, runs around now with these plastic
pirate swords, you know, swatting at everyone and...
WINFREY: How has being a dad changed you? Did it soften you around the edges
and soften you in places that you didn't know?
Mr. DEPP: Well, it gives you perspective, I mean, instant perspective. You
know suddenly what the important things are, you know, what's important,
what's not important. There was a number of years where I was sort of freaked
out about that strange, you know, word `celebrity,' you know, just being
followed by...
WINFREY: Paparazzi and all that stuff.
Mr. DEPP: ...photographers and stuff like that, you know.
WINFREY: Yeah. You had a thing with paparazzi at one time, didn't you?
Mr. DEPP: A couple of things, yeah.
WINFREY: A couple of things. Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: But, I mean, once, you know, you have kids and you're sort of
rooted in the earth and you understand what's important, all that stuff around
you, the other things become like, you know, insects p...
WINFREY: Even paparazzi.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, yeah.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: Unless they try to take photographs of my kids and I catch them.
That's a different thing.
WINFREY: And then it's over.
Mr. DEPP: Well, it might be interesting.
WINFREY: It might be interesting. Because didn't you--you went to jail for a
paparazzi fight, right?
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: Yeah. You did. And Sean Penn did. I just talked to Sean Penn the
other day, too, who said it was very interesting, too.
Mr. DEPP: But I went to--I was arrested in London, and I went to--the most
amazing thing is when they--you know, they cuff you and they take you to jail
and everything. And the cops were very, very sweet actually. As they're
bringing...
WINFREY: Or are the cops taking you away going, `Could you get an autograph
for my wife? Johnny Depp, could you give me a picture?'
Mr. DEPP: They're bringing you in...
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: ...and this--you see this sign on the wall, and it says `custody
suites.'
WINFREY: Custody suites.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: Wow.
Mr. DEPP: Which I thought that's a really classy, you know, thing. It ain't
just, you know, jail cell.
WINFREY: Were you in a special kind of jail?
Mr. DEPP: No, I was in the custody suites in the...
WINFREY: You were in the custody ...(unintelligible). Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: Custody jail cell.
WINFREY: Yeah. And would you react differently now with paparazzi, do you
think?
Mr. DEPP: I mean, if they want to take a picture of me, I don't care. If
they want to take a picture of me and Vanessa, I don't care. If they want to
take a picture of my kids, that's a different thing. Because they didn't ask
for any of this, you know.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: They didn't ask for...
WINFREY: This life. Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: ...this life or the attention, you know.
WINFREY: Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you on that. So you don't live in the
United States, right? You live in--do you live--officially live in France?
Mr. DEPP: No, that's the big sort of rumor. No, I mean, I spend most of my
time on location, wherever I'm shooting. Like I've been in London for about
eight months now.
WINFREY: Was it last year you got in a lot of hot water for making a comment
about the United States being a puppy?
Mr. DEPP: Right.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: What did you say?
Mr. DEPP: What I said, which was...
WINFREY: What did you say?
Mr. DEPP: ...which was misinterpreted.
WINFREY: Yeah. Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: What I said was, the United States of America is a young country
compared to Europe, compared to, you know, other countries. We're young.
We're 200 and something years old.
WINFREY: Right.
Mr. DEPP: That's not very old.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: You know, we're not thousands and thousands of years old.
WINFREY: Right.
Mr. DEPP: That's basically all I said. I might have said a little
something...
WINFREY: But there wasn't a puppy--was it...
Mr. DEPP: ...about the current administration.
WINFREY: Oh, you might have said something about that. Yeah. So what was
the puppy quote?
Mr. DEPP: But that was not...
WINFREY: What was thing about America's a puppy and...
Mr. DEPP: Well, yeah, America's--you know, you've got to think of it like
a--kind of like a puppy dog in the sense that, you know--but you have to--you
know, in the sense that it's very, very young, but you have to remember that
puppies have very sharp teeth...
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: ...razor-sharp teeth...
WINFREY: Oh.
Mr. DEPP: ...and one must be careful.
WINFREY: Now--and didn't people--people came after you for that, did they
not?
Mr. DEPP: Well, because, you know, suddenly the translation was that it was,
you know...
WINFREY: You're not American.
Mr. DEPP: ...America's ignorant and, you know...
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: ...you know, why would I do that? Why would anybody do that?
WINFREY: Yeah. That's why I didn't believe the quote when I read it,
because...
Mr. DEPP: No.
WINFREY: ...I've been misquoted a couple of times myself.
Mr. DEPP: Imagine.
WINFREY: Yeah. So--and is it true--when I read this, I thought, I've done
that myself. When I've been misquoted on something and it's been
misrepresented, I will get on the phone and call the people.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, yeah.
WINFREY: Did you get on the phone and call the people?
Mr. DEPP: I sure did, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
WINFREY: Yeah, yeah. And this is--what happened when you called the people?
Mr. DEPP: They were great.
WINFREY: They were great. This is the thing. You call the people who have
written these nasty letters...
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: ...and they back down every time. They're like, `Oh, Oprah, I
didn't mean to say that.' Is that what happened?
Mr. DEPP: What happened was they just said--I said, `Lookit, you know, the
press is not representing me. Let me represent myself. Let me speak to you.'
And they said, `OK, what do you want to say?' I said it, told them what I
meant by the comment, which was completely different than what was, you know,
shot out into the public. And they said, `OK, I understand. I understand
your point of view now. I'm sorry.'
WINFREY: Really?
Mr. DEPP: Yeah.
WINFREY: How many people did you call?
Mr. DEPP: I don't know. It was maybe a dozen.
WINFREY: A dozen people. Oh, you called a lot. Yeah. We'll be right back.
Coming up, Johnny Depp's most romantic moment. And later, Kate the
magnificent Winslet.
(Announcements)
WINFREY: Johnny and I are having a little toast to his new movie, "Finding
Neverland." When it comes out November 12th, you must go and take your
children. When our viewers found out that Johnny was coming on the show, we
heard from many of your diehard fans. You know, you've got some dieharders
out there. They have their--Johnny! And they all have their own burning
questions, burning questions they wanted to ask. First up, Catina wanted to
know something personal. Take a look.
Unidentified Man #4: Catina Moore, take one.
Ms. CATINA MOORE: Hi, Johnny. I think you are absolutely hot. I know you
have a way of charming the ladies, so I wanted to know what is the most
romantic thing you've ever done on a date?
WINFREY: Date.
Mr. DEPP: A date.
WINFREY: Or...
Mr. DEPP: I'm not sure I've ever been on a date.
WINFREY: Let's see. Most romantic encounter. Let's put it that way. Most
romantic encounter...
Mr. DEPP: Wow!
WINFREY: ...that you can speak of in public.
Mr. DEPP: Yeah. Just getting to that. Rented a small silent movie theater
once for a date with Vanessa.
WINFREY: A sil...
Mr. DEPP: Well, actually, a couple of times. Yeah.
WINFREY: You rented a silent movie theater.
Mr. DEPP: Movie theater, yeah. And we went and watched, you know, silent
films, you know, that kind of thing.
WINFREY: That kind of thing. Another question, from one of--someone who says
they're one of Johnny's biggest fans, but doesn't everybody. Take a look.
Unidentified Man #4: Erika Canale, take one.
Ms. ERIKA CANALE: Hi, Johnny. I just wanted to let you know that you bring
so much joy and happiness to your fans, including myself. And my question is
what legacy do you want to leave behind when you leave this Earth?
WINFREY: Hmm.
Mr. DEPP: Wow!
WINFREY: The big legacy question.
Mr. DEPP: Better have a drink. Boy. You know, I just hope that people like
the stuff I did, you know. You know, I hope the movies stick around and
people like it.
WINFREY: Really?
Mr. DEPP: And, you know, that my kids are happy and...
WINFREY: Do you take it seriously? Yeah. I know, you always say, `Oh, God,
we're just--I'm just an actor' or I've read things where you just say, `Oh,
well, I'm an actor. Who's paying attention to what actors say?' But
obviously, you take acting seriously as a craft.
Mr. DEPP: Well, I mean, the term serious actor is kind of an oxymoron, isn't
it?
WINFREY: A little bit.
Mr. DEPP: Republican Party...
WINFREY: Yeah.
Mr. DEPP: ...airplane food, you know.
WINFREY: Yeah. I got it.
Mr. DEPP: You know...
WINFREY: Got it. When we come back, she starred in the number one movie of
all time. You know what that is, right?
Audience: (In unison) Yeah!
WINFREY: Of course. And she was in also one of my favorite films ever. Kate
Winslet is here. We shall speak to her when we come back.
(Announcements)
WINFREY: Johnny Depp is here. And you're about to meet his equally brilliant
leading lady. British star Kate Winslet plays the young widow who befriends
J.M. Barrie in the new movie--it's so wonderful--"Finding Neverland." It's so
good. I just have always admired Kate's work, especially in one of my
favorite films ever. Take a look. I loved it.
(Excerpt from videotape)
WINFREY: Kate Winslet's stunning performance in "Sense and Sensibility" won
her an Oscar nomination at just 20 years old. Next, Kate made Hollywood
history when she set sail on the "Titanic," the number one movie of all time.
A second Oscar nomination followed, this time for best actress. Off-screen,
her leading man is Oscar-winning "American Beauty" director Sam Mendes. She's
also the mother of two children, Joe and Mia. Now Kate Winslet is the heart
of "Finding Neverland." She plays the dying mother of the four young boys who
inspire the tale of "Peter Pan."
(End of excerpt)
(Excerpt from "Finding Neverland")
WINFREY: Kate Winslet, everybody. Kate Winslet.
So good to see you.
Ms. WINSLET: Hi, hi, hi.
WINFREY: Right here. For you.
Ms. WINSLET: Goodness me.
WINFREY: Hi.
Mr. DEPP: Oprah has very good wine.
WINFREY: A toast, here.
Ms. WINSLET: Yeah, I know, I saw that.
WINFREY: Here, that's yours.
Ms. WINSLET: I was watching in the dressing room. I was feeling really quite
jealous.
WINFREY: A toast to you, great movie. Toast, toast.
Ms. WINSLET: Thank you. Thank you.
WINFREY: It's the first time we've ever done this. This is a good idea.
Cheers, cheers.
Ms. WINSLET: Oh, this is my kind of talk show.
WINFREY: Is it? Anyway, congratulations on such an amazing performance. It
really is outstanding, once again.
Ms. WINSLET: Thank you, thank you.
WINFREY: Outstanding.
Ms. WINSLET: Thank you very much. Thank you.
WINFREY: OK. A lot of people make a big deal about your weight. You look
spectacular.
Ms. WINSLET: Thank you very much.
WINFREY: Are you doing anything special?
Ms. WINSLET: I'm just tearing around after these two little ones. It just...
WINFREY: Yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: ...it just is great and keeps you on your toes.
WINFREY: Just in Bazaar I think I read where you'd said you felt in some ways
guilty when you had your Caesarean for your baby girl because...
Ms. WINSLET: Oh, yeah.
WINFREY: Because?
Ms. WINSLET: I did--it was the strangest thing. You know, I spent my life
being told I have these fantastic child-bearing hips, you know. And so, you
know, I breezed through this pregnancy, merrily eating and gaining 70 pounds,
or whatever, and came to the birth and, you know, I'm one of four kids, and my
mom had no trouble pushing all of us out. And so I was just very excited and
really looking forward to it. And when I thought about the kinds of
intervention that might come into play during the labor, the one thing I never
thought about was a Caesarean section. It just didn't occur to me. And after
37 hours--you never knew this, did you? After 37 hours...
Mr. DEPP: Ouch.
WINFREY: That's days.
Ms. WINSLET: Yeah, yeah, I know. Oh, yeah. I know. And, basically, I got
to two centimeters and that was it. And then they came and said, `You know,
we're going to have to induce you, and this will get things going much more
quickly,' and even that didn't work.
WINFREY: Really?
Ms. WINSLET: No. Even that didn't work. And then C-section, there you go.
But I did--yeah, and I did--because it was such a shock, I did sort of feel
like I'd failed in a funny kind of a way. And I think just because of, you
know, my mum being such a great child-bearer and her mother as well. My mum's
one of six kids. And so it was a big deal for me. And then I had...
WINFREY: You know that's ridiculous.
Ms. WINSLET: Well, I do now.
WINFREY: Yeah. That's ridiculous.
Ms. WINSLET: I do now. And then I had my son, Joe, completely naturally,
so...
WINFREY: Epidural, though, right?
Ms. WINSLET: ...there you go.
WINFREY: Did you have an epidural?
Ms. WINSLET: I had an epidural. Yeah.
WINFREY: Good, yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: I did. I was induced. And I did 15 hours with nothing, and
then I thought, OK, now, you know, I really am actually going to fall apart.
So had the epidural and that meant that I...
WINFREY: So you did 15 hours without the epidural.
Ms. WINSLET: Yeah. And...
WINFREY: God bless you.
Ms. WINSLET: ...I...
Mr. DEPP: I'm going to have a drink.
WINFREY: OK. We'll be right back with more from Johnny Depp and Kate
Winslet.
(Announcements)
WINFREY: Johnny Depp, Kate Winslet, and I are sharing a toast to their new
movie, "Finding Neverland," that flies into theaters on November 12th. You've
been very outspoken, really, about I think a lot of things, but body--women's
body image in Hollywood. Yeah, yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: Yes, I have been somewhat. Oops.
WINFREY: Yeah. Yes. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good
thing. What do you want people to know?
Ms. WINSLET: Well, I think--I remember Leo when we were doing "Titanic"
saying to me, `You know, it's really important that you are the shape that you
are,' and I was like, `Well, what do you mean by that?' And it was kind of a
really out-of-the-blue conversation that we had in the middle of shooting. He
said, `Because there are so many skinny girls out there who think that to be
successful and to be beautiful and, therefore, to be loved and respected, it
means you have to be thin.' And this kind of really struck a chord with me,
and I thought, God, he's really right actually, in that in some way, this
image is being translated to teen-age girls, you know, and that...
WINFREY: Especially.
Ms. WINSLET: And especially, and on some level, they really do think that to
get a great guy or to be, you know, the smartest or the nicest one in their
class that they have to be, you know, skinny and pretty. And it just really,
really bothered me. And so when "Titanic" was so successful and I was...
WINFREY: Tell me you had a piece of that. Did you have just like some
back-end piece or a portion or a percentage or something?
Ms. WINSLET: No, no, I didn't.
WINFREY: Oh.
Mr. DEPP: I'm going to have another drink.
WINFREY: You didn't? I would think you would never have to work another day
in your life unless you just decided I like the script.
Ms. WINSLET: Well, you know, it was different back then. No one sort of
really kind of knew who I was particularly, so it was fine. It was fine. It
really was.
WINFREY: It's fine.
Ms. WINSLET: It was fine. But when...
WINFREY: Just like one-half of a percentage point would be very nice, but,
OK, you've let it go.
Ms. WINSLET: Let it go. It's fine.
WINFREY: OK. I'll let it go, too.
Ms. WINSLET: Phew.
WINFREY: I'll let it go.
Ms. WINSLET: OK.
WINFREY: OK.
Ms. WINSLET: But then so when the Academy Awards came around for "Titanic,"
you know, I thought, you know what? I'm young. I'm 21 years old, and I'm in
this movie, and it's very successful. And I've been nominated for an Academy
Award for this. And I haven't done any of this through being skinny or
through starving myself or anything like that, and so I thought, I'm just
going to hold my head high and I'm just going to be the person that I am,
and--thank you. And I've just tried to continue to do the same thing. And
now as a mother myself, you know, with my daughter, because it is girls,
frankly, I think, who suffer the most with this kind of internal battle, you
know, it's even more important to me than ever.
WINFREY: That and plastic surgery. What do you--what's your take on...
Ms. WINSLET: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It just--that just drives me nuts. It
just drives me nuts. Why would you want to, you know, inject your face with a
rat's testicle? I mean, why--I mean--no, I just...
WINFREY: Is that what it is? Is that what...
Ms. WINSLET: Well, it's something like that...
WINFREY: Or whatever. Yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: ...isn't it? Something strange.
WINFREY: A rat's testicle, yeah, yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: But, yeah. I mean, that is my feeling about it. It's--you
know, I mean, we should all be growing old gracefully and just letting, you
know, nature take its course. And more importantly, you know, for actors and
actresses, you know, that's your livelihood. You know, that's--I would feel
so dishonest if I couldn't move part of my face properly in order to portray a
certain part...
WINFREY: Right.
Ms. WINSLET: ...or convey a particular emotion. And so it just really
frightens the life out of me.
WINFREY: OK. We'll be right back.
Coming up, Kate shows off her special talent.
(Announcements)
WINFREY: OK. You do a really good American accent, too.
Ms. WINSLET: Oh, thank you very much.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: Thank you.
WINFREY: Yeah. How do you teach yourself to be American?
Ms. WINSLET: Well, I...
WINFREY: Like could you speak a little American for us?
Ms. WINSLET: Oh, God, don't you hate it when they do that?
WINFREY: Yeah, I do. Take a sip and do it.
Mr. DEPP: I'll take a sip, too.
Ms. WINSLET: OK.
WINFREY: OK, good. Great. Good.
Ms. WINSLET: (With American accent) Oprah, it is so great to be here. Thank
you so much for having me on the show. And, Johnny, it's great to see you.
WINFREY: Excellent! Johnny, of course, in "Finding Neverland," does
Scottish. So could you do a little for us?
Ms. WINSLET: Oh, nice!
Mr. DEPP: Oh.
WINFREY: Oh, good.
Mr. DEPP: (With Scottish accent) It was quite a long time ago.
Ms. WINSLET: Oh!
WINFREY: Oh, very good. Very good. Very good. We'll be right back.
Next, the amazing child actor who I think he's...
Ms. WINSLET: Incredible.
WINFREY: He's incredible.
Ms. WINSLET: Incredible.
Mr. DEPP: Amazing.
WINFREY: He's going to steal your heart. You've never seen a child actor
like this. We'll be right back.
(Announcements)
(Excerpt from "Finding Neverland")
WINFREY: At the time he did that movie, he was 10 years old. Now he's 12
years old, Freddie Highmore, in the new wonderful movie "Finding Neverland,"
which opens in theaters November 12th. Please welcome--you're going to
introduce him to us.
Mr. DEPP: Oh, yeah. Freddie Highmore.
Ms. WINSLET: Yea, Freddie.
WINFREY: Freddie.
Hello. What a pleasure to have you here. Pleasure to have you here. Oh, my
goodness. We have never seen anybody quite like you ever.
FREDDIE HIGHMORE ("Finding Neverland"): Thanks.
WINFREY: Never, ever, ever. So did you grow up wanting to--well, grow up.
You're--well, did you always want to be an actor?
HIGHMORE: Well, I wasn't sure when I was young and I thought it might be...
WINFREY: When you were young, yes.
HIGHMORE: Yeah. When I was younger, I thought it would be quite fun to do a
small part and see how it went, so I went to an audition, and I did a small
part, and then the parts got bigger and bigger and...
WINFREY: The parts got bigger and bigger. So how young were you when you did
your first one?
HIGHMORE: I think I was about five and--yeah.
WINFREY: Really?
HIGHMORE: Yeah.
WINFREY: Would you say that this is your biggest part?
HIGHMORE: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
WINFREY: Now I had read that Johnny is your hero. Was that correct--is that
a correct...
HIGHMORE: Yeah, it is. Yeah, he is a hero to me.
WINFREY: He is a hero.
HIGHMORE: And, of course, Kate is my heroine.
Ms. WINSLET: Oh.
WINFREY: Have you ever worked with a child actor like this? I had read a
quote.
Ms. WINSLET: I'll have to put my fingers in your ears so I don't spoil you.
No, I've never worked with a child actor like Freddie, because Freddie is
Freddie, and there's just simply no one else like him. I mean...
WINFREY: Really?
Ms. WINSLET: I...
WINFREY: You can feel him giving. You can feel him in the scenes. You can.
Ms. WINSLET: Well, yes, you absolutely can. And you can't help but react to
the honesty that he's giving you.
WINFREY: Yeah, it's pure.
Ms. WINSLET: It's completely...
WINFREY: Clean, clean, clean.
Ms. WINSLET: It's completely pure.
WINFREY: Yeah, yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: But at the same time, I would like to say that Freddie is also
very much a keen footballer and a totally normal kid who would round the boys
up at lunchtimes and they all completely played together and they all got on
so great. That was one of the really great things, wasn't it, about the film.
HIGHMORE: Yeah. Yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: You know, it was a very much a really happy family.
WINFREY: Good.
Ms. WINSLET: But that's sort of a cliche, but it was true.
WINFREY: Yeah.
Ms. WINSLET: It really was like that.
WINFREY: So you're going to be doing another movie with Johnny, is that true?
HIGHMORE: Yeah, we're doing "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory."
WINFREY: Oh, are you? Exciting. I'm glad we get to--so tell us about it.
Tell us about it. Tell us about it.
HIGHMORE: I can't say too much, but it's fantastic.
WINFREY: Can you say who you play?
HIGHMORE: Yeah, I play Charlie.
WINFREY: Fantastic. Fantastic. Well, congratulations to you. It just was
an outstanding performance.
HIGHMORE: Thanks a lot.
WINFREY: Outstanding performance. We'll be right back. "Finding Neverland,"
November 12th.
(Announcements)
WINFREY: Thanks to my guests, Johnny Depp, Kate Winslet, and Freddie
Highmore. Remember the movie "Finding Neverland." It is really great. Isn't
it, audience? It's just--ah. Wonderful. Opens November 12th. Don't forget
to vote today! Bye, everybody.
